Episode # 33

Finding Your Passion with Guy Fogle

March 30, 2023

About This Episode

Guy Fogle is the PR/Communications Coordinator for the Montgomery County Educational Service Center in Dayton, OH. His roles include the areas of social media, media relations, public relations, photography, videography, and web site. He is a former educator, coach, athletic administrator and was a television anchor/reporter for twenty years. In this episode, Kara and Caryn talk to Guy about his background in television, his transition into education, his inspiration and how his Plan B became his passion.

 

[00:00:40] Kara: joining us today is Guy Fogel who is PR. And communications coordinator at the Montgomery County Educational Service Center.

I wanna know how you got involved in education is my first question for you,

[00:00:57] Caryn: It sucked

[00:00:58] Guy: Yeah, because what, after you met me and you were like going, how does he have anything to do with teaching our children? Right. Um, it, it, it, it goes back to my mother, actually. Kara was a school teacher. Uh, she was a fourth grade school teacher and, uh, for 30 years,

[00:01:16] Kara: Oh, wow.

[00:01:17] Guy: I, I remember, uh, as I got older, going into her classrooms and, um, after school, cuz she, her days went longer, so I got to go in and then she would like, put me to work, like, you know, reading to the kids or collecting papers or something or interacting with them in a, you know, in a workshop setting.

So, you know, that kind of, that kind of stuck with me and, and I enjoyed the opportunity to, um, you know, be around the kids. And then I thought, well, I also wanted to.

[00:01:46] Kara: Oh.

[00:01:46] Guy: and, uh, you know, so I, I coached basketball, so I, most people didn’t realize that when I was in television. Um, when I first started in television, I was working on my master’s in education because I always thought that in television, uh, there was a guy named Carl Day who was a longtime anchor.

He said, uh, guy, you’re gonna be hired to be fired. That’s the way it is in media. So I’m thinking I better have a plan B.

[00:02:14] Kara: Yeah.

[00:02:15] Guy: And so, um, yeah, that’s what I did. I got my, my certification, I got a master’s in secondary teaching from the University of Dayton. And, um, there were times I would be covering. sporting events like say Dayton basketball, I would be in press row grading papers while I’m watching the game and getting my story ready for the 11 o’clock.

So, yeah, I, I, most people probably, you know, had no idea. But yeah, I was working on my education stuff for a long time, and it started as, uh, you know, I, I had a love for it, but then Carl Day told me I needed a plan B.

[00:02:53] Kara: I was smart that you listened to him and

[00:02:56] Guy: Yeah, he was a, he was a very wise man. Yeah.

[00:03:00] Kara: Oh my gosh. So how, how many years were you in television?

[00:03:05] Guy: Uh, I did right about 20. Um, yeah, I started out as a, a sports anchor and I did, uh, just weekends for the first two years, and then they made me full-time and. , you know, it kind of worked out. And then there was a period where I was at Channel seven. I was at Channel 22 originally, and then I went to Channel seven.

But I was part-time there because my teaching, I was teaching and coaching and I couldn’t do full-time television at that point.

[00:03:39] Kara: Oh.

[00:03:40] Guy: So, but then I went back to being in television full-time and, and also, you know, in education I was doing two full-time jobs for many.

[00:03:50] Kara: That’s cr. Yeah. I don’t know how you balanced it.

[00:03:53] Guy: I, I would have to be at school at seven 15 in the morning, 6 45 if I wanted to use the copier.

But, uh,

[00:04:02] Caryn: Uh,

[00:04:03] Guy: uh, at, yeah, and then, uh, I would leave at 3, 3 15. I’d have to be, um, at the station, the news station, at three 30 to be ready for the six o’clock, and I was doing the weekday six and 11 there at channel two for a long time.

[00:04:19] Kara: Oh my gosh. That’s crazy. So when you were teaching, what were you teaching?

[00:04:24] Guy: Well, to probably ask the kids. I not much. Uh, had, we had, we had a lot of fun. Uh, I taught writing, uh, different aspects of writing. For instance, essay writing, technical writing, creative writing. Um, I also had the younger, you know, the freshmen who were still trying to figure out the, Format of a paragraph, you know, what goes in a sentence, then what sentences go into a paragraph, and then trying to put together essays.

And then I also taught literature. I taught, uh, British literature, American literature, and uh, short stories. And I also taught communications. And I, I taught a class based on, um, characteristics of, of trying to get a job. So, you know, we had the. Behavioral characteristics and I, I developed a course on that that I taught the kids.

They were generally juniors and seniors getting ready to go to college or find a career. Uh,

[00:05:25] Caryn: been really useful.

[00:05:26] Guy: And then I also taught, I taught speech, uh, you know, getting kids a chance to. have the courage to stand up in front of people and talk. So, you know, I developed a, I actually, uh, developed a course for that and I also taught at the University of Dayton part-time as an instructor.

So I was able to use, you know, kind of mirror those things. Um, you know, teaching communication and speech. I, I just kind of took what I was doing at the high school level and jacked it up, uh, uh, you know, to the college level and added things to it. But yeah, that’s what I was teacher.

[00:06:01] Kara: What do you think the value in like those things are? Like speech and communications and learning how to write properly.

And so, cuz I feel like there would be some people that are like, what?

[00:06:13] Guy: Yeah, I, I, I know what

[00:06:14] Kara: not gonna be a writer, you know, you don’t really need it kind of thing.

[00:06:18] Guy: I, I think I had a, a wide array of kids that were in my classrooms. I had, I started the day with advanced placement kids. They were going to go to college, most of them. I, I had a chance to, um, shape how they wrote, polish up what they were writing to where when they got to the collegiate level, they knew how to write essays, they knew how to write, you know, and there’s so many different kind of essays, you know, how to, how to pick and choose what you need to do.

And I, I think, uh, you know, then when the younger kids it was, it was more. And you can do, you can say this with all of them, um, whether they were, you know, freshmen who were, you know, just trying to get their feet under ’em or seniors who knew what they were doing. I, the, the basic thing I tried to stress was confidence and confidence in what you were doing.

And. , you know, being able to, to write something and have confidence in that. And you know, I think the second thing that was I used to hit on him every day was the attention to detail.

[00:07:30] Kara: Mm.

[00:07:30] Guy: And if you can pay attention to detail and you’re confident, I don’t care what you’re doing, you’re gonna do pretty well.

And I would show ’em how those little things add up to be the big things. And it can tell a story about. if those little things aren’t positives and you know, or there’s, uh, and, and you know, we would have conversations about, um, you know, not everybody can get up and talk in front of a bunch of people, but you can still express your, express yourself and, and have confidence in doing it.

And so I think those two things, the confidence piece and, and the attention to detail, that’s what, more so than teaching Shakespeare, more so than, you know, Dickens and more, more so than all these other things. , it was those concepts of confidence and, and attention to detail. And I, and you know, because in my mind I thought, well, those are the, those are the things that are gonna serve them well.

[00:08:24] Kara: Mm-hmm.

[00:08:24] Caryn: Skills over content. Not that there’s anything wrong with the content, but life

[00:08:29] Guy: Yeah. And, and I, you know, and it’s, it’s kind of ironic because schools. They’re, they’re content oriented, and that doesn’t always serve the kids well, if you have a kid who’s just a really top-notch science student, but he can’t communicate, he can’t, uh, you know, there, there’s a, there’s a, a deficit there in terms of social, uh, norms and social behavior.

You’ve done the kid no favors. He came, I have a nephew who’s a rocket scientist. Literally, he’s out at Wright State and Wright Pad. He works, you know, in conjunction and. When he came into the classroom, he was really shy and really quiet and, but now this young man has got this huge brain. and he’s got this huge heart and he’s got wife and kids, and now he’s got this huge voice because he can share and he can, you know, and, and there’s a confidence when you, when you talk to him and, and, and I think that’s y you don’t do anybody any favors if you’re not teaching some life skills.

And, and that’s what I was trying to do with those two basic premises.

[00:09:34] Kara: Mm-hmm. . I like that. Well, and I like your lesson of kind of reputation. The small things leading to the big things,

[00:09:42] Guy: Oh

[00:09:42] Kara: and the attention to de. Because, yeah, I think

[00:09:46] Guy: I, I mean, when you go into work, if you, if, if you’re not paying attention to details, and I, I, gosh, I’ve been here five years and, you know, there’s times, you know, my, my boss will call me down and go, you know, perhaps you need to spend a little more time, uh, on the little things on this one.

You know, because you get in a hurry, you get rushed. But the problem is, if, if you’re not working around people who know you or know you well, they’re gonna think. , I gotta carry this person. Or that person’s a lightweight or that person’s, you know, an empty suit. So you, you know, you just gotta, and it doesn’t matter if, again, if you’re a welder, if you’re a plumber, if you’re a pilot, if you’re a teacher, whatever, those little things, you know, can pick at you and, and affect your confidence.

So,

[00:10:31] Kara: Well, and I’m thinking too, in this day and age with, you know, uh, social media and those kind of things too, like, um, I think that’s important lesson for young students to remember is like the reputation that it’s leaving when they’re actively involved. It’s kind of like individual PR,

[00:10:52] Guy: Yeah. Well, I, I, I, I have younger kids and I have older kids and, and, um, my older kids, when they were first. Getting, trying to, you know, get that leg outta college and, and get a job. Uh, I actually went through one in particular and I started looking at his stuff that he posted and trying to be delicate, but trying to say, Hey, you know, I’m trying to give you some advice here.

And so I, I, you know, I took him to lunch and I said, Hey, I gotta show. I gotta tell you, I bet you had the best time ever when you were with those. You know, at, at whatever event that was. But that picture

is, is, not the one. I would just keep that memory to yourself and pull that off of there because people are gonna think something.

They’re going to think something. And what I do here at work is image related with the company.

[00:11:50] Kara: Mm-hmm.

[00:11:52] Guy: you. He, he , there’s optics and I, you know, I tried to explain to him the concept of optics and, and, uh, he got it and he understood it and he has a really good job now. So,

[00:12:02] Kara: Yeah, which it is. Great, but, and thank thankful, thankfully he had you to point out those things because I think that’s an important lesson that not all kids, you know, especially when they start using social media young.

[00:12:19] Caryn: Yes.

[00:12:20] Kara: digital footprint piece of it? They don’t

[00:12:24] Guy: Well, and I, I think it surprised him that, you know, being an older fuddy-duddy that I even knew what those social platforms were, the social media platforms were, and I, you know, I’m, you know, pulling out all the, all the little sites that he had on his, you know, his accounts with, and, and, and I don’t think they, if I can,

[00:12:46] Kara: Mm-hmm.

[00:12:47] Guy: you know, at my age with somebody who’s in their forties, early fifties, who’s an HR person is going to be able to find it.

You know what I mean?

[00:12:53] Kara: Yeah.

[00:12:53] Caryn: Yeah. Yeah. And, and not just what they post, but what you like, who you follow, who you interact

[00:13:01] Guy: Oh, yeah, yeah,

yeah. And, and we, so we, you know, we tidied some stuff up. And not that he was a bad kid, but he just, he was a college kid.

[00:13:09] Kara: right?

[00:13:10] Guy: You know what I mean? And, and you know, he, he, so we just, uh, you know, we tightened it up a little bit and it worked out okay for him. But that’s, you know,

[00:13:19] Caryn: have used you

[00:13:22] Guy: you had to

[00:13:22] Caryn: when I

[00:13:23] Guy: do some

[00:13:23] Caryn: when I interviewed. I just have to tell you when I interviewed for the job I have now, so clearly it worked out okay. Um, the director at the time was like, So do you often dress like a pirate?

[00:13:37] Guy: Oh.

[00:13:38] Caryn: And I was like, well,

[00:13:39] Guy: that’s hilarious.

[00:13:41] Caryn: on occasion I do

[00:13:43] Guy: That’s awesome.

[00:13:44] Caryn: because we had had a pirate party and he went on my

[00:13:49] Guy: Hey, we’re not, we’re not judging. We’re not, you don’t have

[00:13:51] Caryn: no, I mean, it was a really good outfit.

There was a hat, I had a monkey sewn to my shoulder. It was legitimate, you know, legitimately a good outfit, but like, I thought I had my profile locked down, but I didn’t even think to go in and look at it as someone,

[00:14:09] Guy: They do.

[00:14:09] Caryn: uh, in like an incognito window or something, just to really see. So the look on my face was probably great.

 

 

[00:14:29] Guy: You know, the, the kids that you know were in my classroom and we talked about the little things. I, I had a, a girl who now she’s an attorney and doing wonderfully, but she was valedictorian and I wouldn’t let them type papers until the very last paper of their senior year.

These are advanced placement kids. They had to hand write. And they had to follow instructions and, and the instructions were designed to get them to pay attention to the details and follow directions. So write a line, skip a line, write a line. You had to write cursive, you couldn’t print, uh, you, you had to obey the margins, you know, just the silly stuff.

Staple in the upper right corner, you know, all of that nonsense.

[00:15:03] Caryn: Yeah.

[00:15:04] Guy: We, she did a, a, a paper comparing contrast paper on be. And Grindle and be Warf be Wolff. Were the two subjects, right? Well, she spelled grindle wrong every time,

[00:15:17] Caryn: Oh no.

[00:15:18] Guy: so she wasn’t valedictorian by the time it went through. Yeah. And, and, and, and she, I, I don’t think she hates me now because she’s doing really well,

[00:15:30] Caryn: Well,

[00:15:32] Guy: it was a great lesson and it was a great lesson in the details.

For instance, if I, you know, I do all the posting and I do the content on, on our website, and I send out press releases. I just sent one out the other day. You know, I got, I got written things going out. Um, you know, that have quotes from, you know, you know, our leaders here, if I spell something wrong or I use bad syntax or bad grammar.

You know what? That, that, that’s a little. But it’s a big thing because there’s a credibility piece now. Well, the M C E S E. Wow. What a bunch of knuckleheads. They don’t know how to spell or they don’t know how. Yeah. And in social media, you know, the younger kids will, you know, use all kind of, uh, spellings and things that are different and that’s cool.

But when, when it’s a business or when you’re wanting

to

[00:16:20] Caryn: Mm-hmm.

[00:16:21] Guy: present optics, uh, of yourself or your company, well, it, you gotta do it a little differently and, and, You know, I don’t do the social media here to be cool. I do it to be effective in dis disseminating information, telling who we are, what we do. And you know, I, I think one time, four years ago, I sent something out and I, I didn’t, I was in a hurry.

Uh, I’m trying to create all kind of excuses here, but it was just a bonehead thing and it had a misspelling in it, and I’m driving home. Thinking that everything is great. I got this great post that went out talking about, you know, how great we are, and then the phone rings

[00:17:05] Kara: Mm-hmm.

[00:17:06] Guy: and you’re going, oh God, I pulled over.

I was in West Carrolton. I pulled over into the, uh, the post office that’s in downtown West Carlton. I pulled into the post office and hued up and got on and fixed

it, but I was humiliated, embarrassed, and because I, I got in a hurry. I didn’t pay attention to the little things.

[00:17:25] Kara: Mm-hmm.

I know you do a lot of video and video editing and that kind of stuff, I’m always fascinated by things like, you know, producers of things or directors of things, and I’m like, how do you pursue that? You

[00:17:41] Guy: Well, I, I and, and are you talking in terms of pursuing it as a career or just pursuing it just to get started in it?

[00:17:47] Kara: yeah. Either way.

[00:17:48] Guy: Yeah, I, I think. A little bit on my background. I, when you first start in television, typically you’re going to go shoot your own material. Uh, but I liked doing it. I would rather have gone out and shot stories as opposed to anchoring.

I ended up anchoring most of the time cuz that’s what they wanted me to do. But I enjoyed going out and shooting stories and telling stories and putting together pictures and, uh, It, it’s, so I kind of had that in my, my hip pocket, but when I came here, the editing piece was, was a piece that I didn’t fully have.

I, I had a very limited knowledge of that. So, and this sounds, you know, very flippant, but it’s not. I have taught myself a lot of things that I do in this job, and one of them is, The editing piece to go with video that I shoot and, and how to make, if I shoot good video, how to make it look really better or if I shoot bad video, how to make it look at least presentable because it, it happens, you know, even taking pictures.

I, I’m not a picture taker. I’ll come over to Soda to take pictures of whatever event you have going, and I’m gonna take a hundred pictures to get five.

[00:19:11] Kara: Yeah.

[00:19:12] Guy: better in focus where the lighting’s good. Somebody doesn’t have a mouthful of food. Uh, if I don’t like them, I’ll still post it anyway. But, you know, it’s,

it is.

[00:19:23] Caryn: It’s

[00:19:23] Guy: But anyway, so I, I, I think, and, and, and again, this sounds flippant, but I immersed myself in reading everything I could. On video and video editing, and I then went to the video aspect of it and started YouTubeing and all that. Man, you can find, you can do anything, find out how to do anything on tubing and, and I just immersed myself in learning.

But the absolute main thing is just do it.

[00:19:51] Kara: Do it. Yeah.

[00:19:52] Guy: And it’s that confidence. You know, I gotta tell you, I don’t know how to do this, but I’m not gonna let you know that I don’t know how to do it. I’m gonna do it till I can do it. You know what I mean? And, and it, and it’s one of those things where, and there’s all kind of resources.

Like here in Dayton, Ohio, we have D A T V, um, Dayton Access Television, it’s government funded piece. They, it is one of the most marvelous organizations because they have all the equipment, they have all the teaching, they have all the professional device. They, they can show you and teach you how to do anything.

and, and I’m from, from editing, from video to producing to, you know, uh, hosting a talk show to producing a, a newscast. They, they can do all of those things and you know, it’s just, it’s, but it’s just doing, it’s just going out and doing it and falling on your face, getting up and going. You know, there, there are times I’ll, I’ll do, I’ll put together a video.

And I’ll think, man, that, you know, I think that looks pretty good and I’ll, I’ll go home then and look at it after I’ve had some time and I’ll sit down and look at it and go, that might be the worst thing I have ever seen. And, and, and you and your feelings are hurt at first, or if you don’t get the feedback that you thought you should get,

[00:21:11] Kara: Yeah.

[00:21:11] Guy: you know, like I’ll send a video to competitions and you know, in my mind I’m going like, well, there’s no doubt that that’s, that’s the best video that’s ever been made in the state of Ohio in educational circles.

And they send you a letter back saying, thanks for entering and, and you’re going like, okay. But you know, it’s, it is just doing and having the, having the wherewithal to realize that I can learn this, I can learn. And, and, and this sounds really crazy. You two are gonna think I’m nuttier what you already do.

But starting back in, starting back in, right When I got outta college, every year I picked a topic and because I had done so much reading, you know, in college, I, I wanted to, and it was stuff I didn’t wanna read. You know what I mean?

[00:21:57] Caryn: Oh

[00:21:57] Guy: I’m going to study, so I, every, every. . It was a New Year’s resolution starting January 1st.

This is the topic I’m going to study, and all I read were books on that topic. All I read were articles on that topic. Any time I had to watch videos on that topic, I didn’t waste my time with much else. and every year I picked a new topic and one year I did photography, another year I did videography, and it ended up, I think, videography.

I think I read probably 14 books during the year. Probably read 40 articles. And you know, I probably watched, you know, 70, 75 videos because that information that that knowledge piece is, is huge. And so, You know, that’s how, in a nutshell, that’s how I got involved in video and, and, and I’m not very good at it. I, I, but I try every day to get better at it.

[00:22:50] Kara: Yeah, cuz it’s something you like.

[00:22:52] Guy: I enjoy it. I really like, I really like going out and telling stories.

I like, you know, that that’s what the, the big part of my job here is to, is to toot our. And, and that’s what I do. I like finding somebody in unique stories and tooting their horn.

[00:23:10] Kara: Mm-hmm.

[00:23:11] Guy: And, and I, I don’t, I don’t go out in front of it. I’m Guy Fogel and I’m shooting this wonderful story. You wouldn’t know that it was me shooting it.

You would know, you’d know that person. And, you know, there’s a one, one of the things that, that, uh, in the interview process here five years ago, I said, well, look, anybody. who steps up to the microphone, people will listen to. And I said, but in situations where there is a leader, that leader should be the person stepping up to the microphone.

[00:23:45] Kara: Mm.

[00:23:46] Guy: And it should never be a communication or PR person, in my opinion. There’s a million people out there who are gonna listen to this and go, well, you’re, you’re an idiot for saying that. But it shouldn’t, like there’s a school district near here, I think they’re com guys, they’re superintendent because he’s who?

He’s all over here.

[00:24:02] Kara: Because obviously like the leader. May not feel comfortable with wording or you know, whatever, but I feel like they should still be the, the face or the voice

[00:24:10] Guy: Well, e e exactly.

Yeah. And I, you know, with, with our, our superintendent here, you know, Shayna Cox, when I first started, it was a different superintendent and he didn’t, you know, he, he had other things going on and didn’t spend a whole lot of time with, you know, communications in pr.

In fact, this position really didn’t exist. But as, uh, Dr. Clifford Rusty Clifford and I started, you know, kind of piecing how this thing would look, , I noticed that man, Shannon is just really communicative and communicatively effective and, and, and why would anybody el, why would I want to get out in front of, you know, the cameras or talk about whatever issues when we have somebody so skilled and so polished and so exceptional in terms of, you know, the mental ap mental aptitude of this stuff and, and you know, just push.

So we just, you know, it’s been, you know, anytime there’s anything that needs done that’s on a big scale, you know, I always go to Shannon, Shannon and I really think, you know, this would be good if you do this one. And she’s always willing. So

[00:25:19] Kara: Which is great Didn’t you tell me a really cool story about your mom

[00:25:24] Guy: my mother, uh, she taught for 30 years. She, she died, uh, three years ago and she lived to be 90. 91. And, and you know, she, she was just a wonderful lady, but she was an orphan growing up, and it was a family that took her in. And what is, what is beautiful about it though, is that before she was taken in, Her mom, uh, had taken my mother and her two sisters, who, you know, they were all between the ages of four and eight.

They were living in a garage in a place called Drexel, Ohio, Drexel’s up by West Dayton, and they were living in a garage and the mom said they, and they had no idea where dad was, been gone a while, so. , she takes off. Um, every day she would just take off and, and go walking. She was the middle child because she said her younger sister was always hungry, and the older sister was just always in a corner crying.

And one day the mother, her, her, her mom, uh, and I, I, you know, can’t call her grandma, but she said she was going to the store and she’d be back. She never came back. She went, took off and went to t. and started another family and left those girls in the garage. So for two weeks, my mother would get her sisters to school, and they were wearing the same clothes every day.

Mom would put food in her dress pocket, so they had food. The next day they would eat dried rice, dried macaroni, and that was sitting on a counter. , she’d steal one of those little cartons of milk, you know, and bring that back. But mom would take off walking sometimes just to get out. And she went past the library one day and saw these books and she was fascinated by it.

And the lady brought her inside and mom got to see books. She’d never seen books before. And she said that was, you know, just a, a, just like light bulbs went off in her head and then she sat on her way out. There. She passed a church, a, uh, predominantly black congregation in West Dayton, and they were, they had just finished service and I don’t know if you guys are church folks, but there’s a thing called Dinner on the grounds.

You know, for where I. I went to a church, undergrad school and dinner on the grounds is a big thing people would bring. It’s a pot, big potluck. And they set up these tables. I was well, and they noticed mom was dingy and dirty and, and, and so they would give her fruit and breads and so she was feeding her little sisters.

Well, finally, um, it started to come to a head because mom one day went in and the lady in her classroom teacher, her teacher, Realized that my mom had taken cardboard and tied up around her canvas shoes, and she called mom up and, and uh, by the way, the first time mom heard her name, she was in second grade.

She’d never, she didn’t know her name. She was in attendance in class, and they called her name. She didn’t know it was her.

[00:28:55] Kara: Oh

[00:28:56] Guy: But anyway, so, . Yeah. And it remark, my mom failed I think two grades and ended up with two master’s degrees and, you know, a teacher. But anyway, so,

[00:29:06] Caryn: Oh my gosh.

[00:29:07] Guy: uh, the teacher asked her, you know, once, and mom said, well, because in the snow and, and ice and everything, it gets in my shoes cause I, her shoes are, have holes in them.

So the teacher, a little bit later had a, uh, older boy come, talked to him, brought mama up, talked to her and said, I want you to go with this boy. You’re gonna go down the street to this store, and I want you to get a pair of shoes. You don’t have to pay for ’em. You don’t have to do anything. And my mom went down and got shoes and at that moment, this is my mom in the third grade, she realized because that woman had compassion and it was the nicest anybody had ever been to.

because she was always a dirty, dingy girl, you know? And mom at that moment knew she wanted to be a school teacher

[00:29:59] Kara: Yeah.

[00:30:00] Guy: and her destiny was set that she was going to be a, a school teacher. And she did it. And she did it well. She affected the lives of, of many, many, many people. I, I, I write a blog and, and I haven’t written it in a long time, but I call that story.

1. , uh, and put it in the blog souls, s o l e s, for the soul. And that, that moment my mom realized that not everything is bad. Not everybody is bad, and education is good, and being an educator is a good thing cuz you can help people. And that’s, that was her whole motive after that was just being good and being a good person.

And then she finally, they finally got adopted and, and, um, yeah, it, it was, it was remark.

[00:30:46] Kara: Yeah. I think that’s such a.

[00:30:48] Guy: She’s a great lady. She was a wonderful lady. Real quiet, small, small lady. But you know, at home we

[00:30:55] Kara: but mighty

[00:30:56] Caryn: Yeah, well,

[00:30:58] Guy: Yeah.

[00:30:59] Kara: Uh, yeah, I just love that story because I mean, it could have turned out so differently, so,

[00:31:05] Guy: it could have. And, and my mother ended up putting her, one of her sisters in nursing school and her sister became a nurse and, and you know, she was just always, Giving. And, and giving. Yeah. And, and you know, I, I, I just, that heart and that mindset that she had, you know, came that day.

[00:31:27] Kara: yeah.

[00:31:27] Guy: day.

[00:31:28] Kara: As a third grader.

[00:31:29] Guy: Yeah. But, you know, she didn’t know.

She failed a couple of grades and, and she didn’t know how to communicate.

[00:31:36] Kara: Mm-hmm.

[00:31:37] Guy: You know, and, and she didn’t. And she was, they, they were always dirty and dingy and, you know, and that’s how they kind of started finding out that, you know, it was like a, I guess the next week after the shoe incident that the teacher realized that she’d been wearing the same thing every day.

That her sister down the hallway was wearing the same thing. And they asked her, you know, what’s going on? And, and mom said, well, we’re in a garage. They were living in a garage. No facilities, no water.

[00:32:03] Caryn: God.

[00:32:03] Kara: no.

[00:32:05] Guy: I, I just, I can’t, I just can’t imagine.

[00:32:09] Kara: No, I can’t either.

[00:32:10] Guy: there are kids that go through that now and they’re, they’re, there are kids that go through situations now or they feel helpless.

Their situation might not be like my mother’s, but they’re in a situation where they feel helpless and have you, educators can create hope and can create an avenue and, and that’s one thing that keeps drawing me. education

[00:32:35] Kara: thank you for sharing that,

[00:32:36] Guy: Thanks for having me. I appreciate it.

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Guy Fogle

Guy Fogle is the PR/Communications Coordinator for the Montgomery County Educational Service Center in Dayton, OH. His roles include the areas of social media, media relations, public relations, photography, videography, and web site. He is a former educator, coach, athletic administrator and was a television anchor/reporter for twenty years.